"I started out at TSR in their shipping department. After about a year there the art director, Dave Sutherland, had found out I liked to draw. So he asked to see some of my work. I had nothing to show so I went home that weekend and did 3 drawings. Two ink pieces and one pencil drawing. Dave purchased the two inked artworks for publication in the DMG and gave me a job as a staff artist. The drawing I did at NTRPG Con was a reworking or reinvisioning of that original pencil drawing (which I still have) that landed me the job and started me on my journey as an artist. A turning point in my life for sure."